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Many people, among them the Frank girls, slept leaning against their mother or father; everyone was dead tired. And then the tension: what would happen next? Perhaps the train would crash? There might be a bombardment; we were hoping for that. (...) A lot of people slept. It was simply a death train. People died [while] underway, and there were many dead when we arrived. I believe that we were in those cattle cars for two days and nights. After the war someone asked me: "Didn't you get anything to eat?" No, we didn't get anything, absolutely nothing.