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I do think that what's complicated for Democrats is that, while the majority of the country is probably centrist on immigration, if given the choice between what they feel is a very progressive, almost non-rule-of-law version of immigration and a very draconian view of immigration, they will choose the draconian view because they at least want some order in the system, that is one thing I do think Secretary Clinton did not do an ideal job of. ... To the extent that anybody cared about that issue, they voted for President Trump.