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Black people, in general, are very wary of having this conversation because we talk about race amongst each other a lot because it's a central component of life, but when you meet a new White person, as I met Jo as a new friend, there is, I think, a built-in level of apprehension there about what is this person's background ? What is their family like ? You know, what, what are they hearing at the dinner table ? What did they hear about Black people growing up ? Who are their other friends ? What is their social circle ?