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I think woke comes from a larger phenomenon of white guilt. America, in the mid-'60s … [admitted] that it partook of evil and it partook of evil for four centuries— wasn’t just a quick minute, one of the consequences is that the moral authority of the American democracy was put at risk because of this history of evil that came to the forefront in the '60s. Since that time, white America understandably has been trying to reestablish its moral authority, its moral legitimacy. In order to do that, it has to find ways to demonstrate that it is not guilty any longer of those old evils.