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So in a 10 year period of time, and it really was -- 9/11 probably was the impetus behind some of this. But I think what happened was, over time, this security state complex really joined with this military industrial complex that Eisenhower talked about, and the danger now that we face is we have-- that security state complex are all of these intelligence community agencies and activities that we have, right, that we've heard so much about … who actually is in charge of them, and then what authorities or what things that they're able to do-- You've lived this, via them monitoring your phone calls, right?

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