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One always blamed the other, if you talked to Sherman McCrary, Sherman McCrary would say it was Carl who was the main guy while he was just along for the ride. But if you talked to Carl, it was the opposite. But I never really heard any kind of remorse. There was a lot of bragging, sidestepping and excuses. But there was never a moment of ‘ I ’m sorry, I do n’t know what came over me, I feel bad for the families and the victims. ’ There was never anything like that.

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