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Franz Grebner: You're a very well-educated man, Doctor. And I'm just gonna be fair with you right now. Your story doesn't ring true. I've been in the U.S. Army for 19 years and I've studied a lot of crime scenes, but there's something wrong with this one. I've seen all night poker parties that have caused more damage to a living room. For instance, do you seen anything odd in that photograph?[Grebner hands MacDonald a photo of the living room coffee table on its side]Capt. Jeffrey MacDonald, MD: [as he looks at the photo] No.Franz Grebner: That's the first thing I saw when I went into your house that morning. Notice the flower pot next to the table.Capt. Jeffrey MacDonald, MD: [confused] Why it's standing.Franz Grebner: Uh-uh. And notice the magazines at the end of that table neatly stacked under it.Capt. Jeffrey MacDonald, MD: I don't understand the significance of it.Franz Grebner: Well, Ivory, Shaw, and myself all tipped that table over and it went all the way. It never landed on its edge. It's top-heavy.Capt. Jeffrey MacDonald, MD: Well, couldn't the table have been pushed around in the struggle?Franz Grebner: Yes, it could have, but it would have been upside down when it stopped.Capt. Jeffrey MacDonald, MD: What are you trying to say?Franz Grebner: That the table was not pushed, but it was gently set on its side by someone who staged the scene to make it look like a struggle happened in the living room.Capt. Jeffrey MacDonald, MD: Wait, are you saying "I" staged the scene?Franz Grebner: [after a short pause] I think so.Capt. Jeffrey MacDonald, MD: You think I stood the flower pot up too if I staged the scene?Franz Grebner: Well, somebody stood the pot up.Capt. Jeffrey MacDonald, MD: [suddenly outraged] Your saying that I killed my wife and kids? That's unbelievable! For God's stake, why would I do that? What motive would I have? What would I do that for?Franz Grebner: I think we can come up with several reasons perhaps.Capt. Jeffrey MacDonald, MD: You don't think I was happily married?Franz Grebner: Oh, I'm happily married too, Captain, and I get pretty mad at my wife sometimes. Especially when I was younger and quicker to anger.

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