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Caleb: I'm still trying to figure the examination formats. Yeah, it feels like testing Ava through conversation is kind of a closed loop. Nathan: It's a closed loop? Caleb: Yeah. Like testing a chess computer by only playing chess. Nathan: How else do you test a chess computer? Caleb: Well, it depends. You know, I mean, you can play it to find out if it makes good moves, but... but that won't tell you if it knows that it's playing chess. And it won't tell you if it knows what chess is. Nathan: Uh huh. So it's simulation versus actual. Caleb: Yes, yeah. And I think being able to differentiate between the two is the Turing Test you want me to perform. Nathan: Look, do me a favor. Lay off the textbook approach. I just want simple answers to simple questions. Yesterday I asked you how you felt about her and you gave me a great answer. Now the question is, "How does she feel about you?"

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