Zouken Matou: I told you to never let me see you again, Kariya.Kariya Matou: I heard you adopted the Tohsakas' second daughter.Zouken Matou: [chuckles] You have good ears.Kariya Matou: Is it that important to keep magi in the Matou lineage?Zouken Matou: And would you tell me we're wrong to? You, of all people? Whose fault do think our present condition is? Kariya, had you agreed to carry on the family name and learn the secrets of the Matou, things wouldn't be this bad.Kariya Matou: Stop this nonsense, you vampire. You only want the Grail to make yourself immortal.Zouken Matou: [laughs] By next year, sixty years will have elapsed since that time. But the Matou have no pawns to offer for the Fourth Holy Grail War. While you might have, your brother Byakuya lacks the power to control a Servant. But even if we let this round pass, we could still win the next. The Tohsaka girl's womb will produce a powerful magus. She has quite the potential, that one.Kariya Matou: So as long as you get the Grail, you don't need Sakura Tohsaka for anything?Zouken Matou: What trick are you thinking of?Kariya Matou: A trade, Zouken. During the next war, I will retrieve the Grail. And you will release Sakura.Zouken Matou: [chuckles] Don't be stupid. You're a failure who hasn't trained a day in his life. And yet you're telling me you'll attain the power to control a Servant in a year?Kariya Matou: You have the ability to make that happen with that control over the worms you're so proud of.Zouken Matou: Eh?Kariya Matou: Implant a crest worm inside me.Zouken Matou: Kariya, do you want to die?Kariya Matou: The Matous should be the ones to achieve their own goals. I won't let outsiders get involved. I don't expect you'll worry much about me, will you, Father?Zouken Matou: [chuckles] If you're trying to keep her out of this, Kariya, you're a little late.Kariya Matou: Old man, you mean...Zouken Matou: There were terrible cries for the first three days, but by the fourth day, she was silent. Today, she was thrown at dawn in the worm storage to test how well she would last, but, ho ho, she endured it for half a day and is still breathing. What do you know, the Tohsaka material isn't defective. So what will you do? The little girl is already broken, filled by the worms from head to toes. But if you still think you want to save her, well, I won't think about it twice.Kariya Matou: No objection. Let's just do it.Zouken Matou: Excellent, excellent. Well, we can still train you as much as possible. But know that I will go on with Sakura's training as long as you don't show any results. [laughs] Rather than reinstating a failure who has already betrayed us, the success rate of getting a child from this is far higher. I favor getting the best out of each opportunity one at a time. I am giving up on the Heaven's Feel this time, since I already considered it a lost battle. But, if in one in a million chances, you could get the Grail - I agree. If that happens, naturally I won't have any business with the daughter of Tohsaka. I would be finished with the one thing I am training her for.Kariya Matou: You're not double-dealing, are you, Zouken?Zouken Matou: Kariya, if you think you need to be five-faced to speak to me, try enduring the crest worms first. Yes, for a week. If you haven't died of insanity by then, I will take it you are indeed serious.

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