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Iraqi Television Host: Donald Rumsfeld, you met Saddam in 1983 to discuss military and economic support for his regime, even though at the time he was launching gas attacks on Iranian soldiers. Donald Rumsfeld: No sorry, but wasn't that a different Saddam? Iraqi Television Host: No, no, no I don't think so. Donald Rumsfeld: No, no, that guy was a key ally, a trusted friend and a vital force in the battle against Islamic extremism. Iraqi Television Host: No this is the very same Saddam. Donald Rumsfeld: Well in that case it was a different Donald Rumsfeld.

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