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Mrs Simmel: Kipling Road was a typical sort of East End street, people were in and out of each other's houses with each other's property all day. They were a cheery lot. Interviewer: Was it a terribly violent area? Mrs Simmel: Oh ho, yes. Cheerful and violent. I remember Doug was very keen on boxing, until he learned to walk, then he took up putting the boot in the groin. Oh, he was very interested in that. His mother had such trouble getting him to come in for his tea. He'd be out there putting his little boot in, you know, bless him. You know kids were very different then. They didn't have their heads filled with all this Cartesian dualism.

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